“Every beloved object is the center of a paradise.”— Novalis.
The first premise of pandynamism could easily fit on a plaque: it says that everything can be understood in terms of power, specifically as a conjoined story of cause and possibility. While parts and pieces of a scheme or metaphysics can be assumed or held constant for certain periods or purposes — and they usually have to be — no part or piece should be resolutely or ultimately understood as non-power or undynamic. Its second premise is: this is apparently easier said than done, because not only do most schemes or metaphysics mistake certain parts or pieces for non-power, those are usually the same parts and pieces enshrined as first principles or foundational elements (even for many schemes or metaphysics that believe they’re doing otherwise). So the name of the game is to find those parts and pieces either proudly or slyly characterized as given (without causes), inert (without effects), strictly necessary or purely contingent (rather than possibilistic), fixed or processual (either denying or merely assuming change rather than explaining it), or that are somehow distinguished from or defined in opposition to power.
With some concepts, this happens across schemes or metaphysics, as it frequently does with the concept of desire. Desire gets partitioned from power, almost inadvertently, for the reason that desire and power are so often set as complementary terms of a common diagram, in which power is the means to achieve the ends of desires. That is, power is thought of as an instrument in the service of a will or desire. As Max Weber defined it, power is “the chances within a social relation to impose one’s will also against the resistance of others, independently of what gives rise to these chances.” It is the means, or the measure of the means, to reach some ends that, for Weber, hang above us like a constellation of stars (or in his words, like “warring gods”). I’m no fan of this diagram, of course. For one, I dispute the definition. Power is not always in the service of a discernible will or desire. Oceans and economic systems exert enormous power over us that can’t be explained by anything like a desire or will, except in figures of speech like “Neptune’s will is law” and the “invisible hand of the market.” Secondly, since wills and desires are both produced by powers and productive powers themselves, they obviously can’t be its complementary term. Where else would our likes, lusts, hungers, interests, addictions, voter preferences, beauty standards, market demands, moral ideals — the whole gamut of desiderata — come from if not from power? And once they’ve taken hold, who would argue that desires are powerless, or that the “objects” of desire are simply that, just objects? Certainly not Weber. In spite of his methodological definitions, much of the man’s career was made outlining the power of our wills, desires, and ideals, if under another name like “meaning” or “motivation.” Desires are powers acting in the world, not just inner states — and partly the effect of the objects themselves. Think about it. Isn’t there something about the objects of desire that makes you want them? They seduce you. Or compel you. Or otherwise hold an undeniable pull or power over you — sometimes subtly, sometimes irresistibly and to the point of total possession. Nowhere is this more painfully clear than with the so-called “love object,” as the poets have long tried to warn us.
The young Dante buckled like a hinge when he first set eyes upon his fair Beatrice, uttering to himself and speaking of love, “Ecce deus fortior me, qui veniens dominabitur michi” — “Here is a god stronger than I who comes to rule over me.” He was unmistakably in love’s clutches, not the other way around. Whenever he saw his beloved strolling around Florence, he was instantly reduced to a shaking, sweating, puking embarrassment to himself and everyone around him, including his fair Beatrice. Which is all to say that, if ever a person was on the receiving end of the power of love, it was poor old Dante Alighieri. But how would you make any sense of this power in the diagram above — or any diagram that treats the object of desire as a passive object, or a token to be acquired, or worst of all, as merely a stopper to fill a void? Despite Beatrice’s standing in Florentine society, the guy was obviously after more than a trophy or conquest, and while her absence, or aloofness — or even her premature death — might have done much to inflame his longing, as it’s known to do, how would this explain his amore a prima vista? Do we love someone less when they’re near or once we commit to them for life? Isn’t the surest sign of our passion that they’re still present even when they’re not, to the point of distracting us from thinking about anything else? Long after Beatrice’s death and up until Dante’s own, she was always with him. For Dante, love is ever-present, never a lack, and when he reunites with Beatrice in paradise, he discovers that love is in fact the supreme cosmic principle, which makes and governs all that is in Heaven and Hell and everywhere in between. Personally, I wouldn’t go that far. And you don’t need to be in love to understand the power of your desires. Even the dumbest objects — a beverage, a cigarette, a glowing screen, a big empty bed with soft, welcoming linen after a few sleepless nights — will easily have their way with you. Nearly any desire, no matter how simple, can reveal the flaws in this instrumentalist diagram. Love, though, is its total refutation.
It makes sense that Dante did go that far. He died and completed the Divina Commedia in 1321, right before the beginning of the end of the European Middle Ages (which I’ll conveniently mark on the calendar as 1347, the arrival of the Black Death in Genoa). Dante’s worldview was Catholic with a hero’s dose of Aristotelianism. Thomas Aquinas makes a cameo in paradise to clarify doctrine, but the edifice of his Heaven comes out of the pages of Aristotle’s Metaphysics. In Aristotle, that which we strive for, the telos, is anything but passive. It’s a cause, the so-called “final cause,” and depending on which book of Aristotle you’re reading, often the most dominant or important kind. All things, even in the natural world, forever reach toward their highest ends. They are moved and beckoned by their final causes. In the centuries after Dante, European science slowly distanced itself from Aristotle. And in this separation, specifically in the development of the ontology of mechanism, the telos, the final cause, was polemically discarded as irreal, unnecessary, or an unfortunate holdover from Aristotle. His material and formal cause were largely rendered static (as respectively, abstract mass and transcendental law), with only the efficient cause (mathematically reworked as “force”) left to explain real change and bring about effects. If we understand power as the conjunction of cause and possibility, we can see how this conception of cause as principally efficient cause would supply the basis for the conception of power as principally an instrument. Even if you subscribed to my causal-modal definition of power, still only one aspect of cause could be activated by possibility, leaving the others to wither on the vine. Little wonder Dante wouldn’t see it this way. He was a man of a previous era.
Of course, the ontology of mechanism certainly did not subscribe to the causal-modal definition of power. In most versions, causation was necessitation. Causes necessarily produced their effects. And they were pre-determined. Pushed from behind, not pulled from ahead. This rendered teleology either void or redundant. If you truly believed in necessity, it would be futile or delusional to debate the ends of change or action. The die’s already cast. Given that, there’s really no place for desires within these metaphysics except as a mirage or epiphenomenon. Some versions of mechanism, even those of a scientific bent, retained the primacy of efficient cause without demanding causal necessity. Modern ping-pong variants of Epicurean atomism, such as Gassendi’s, allowed for chance or indeterminacy in the natural world. His atomism paralleled the contemporary scientific study of gases, and in keeping, his metaphysics was more gaseous than strictly mechanical. The behavior of gases obeyed predictable laws en gros, but no one was brazen enough to claim they could predict the behavior of any one part or particle. Their collisions and percussions were still efficient causes, but the final results seemed pretty random — possibly the effect of the “clinamen,” or swerve, built into the order of things. Robert Boyle thought that the all-knowing God could still track the path of each and every particle. Indeterminacy, he claimed, was only human ignorance. For Gassendi, though, indeterminacy cracked the door for real metaphysical randomness, leaving enough room for free human action. This had been an argument at least since the days of Epicurus and Lucretius: that indeterminacy was a prerequisite for human freedom. But if this is freedom, it’s only freedom in the very weakest sense, one bereft of true power. Though I’m no longer condemned to a future foreseen, I can only hope for the best and cheer from the sidelines. Nothing I do could be meaningfully considered a choice or the enactment of a true will or desire. Power, however, is only power where it meaningfully conditions. Fate or chance never enter the frame. Plus, as twisted as they might get, our desires are never random, are they? When we want something, we want something in particular. Does love, for example, accept any substitutes? Not so easily. Just ask the grieving or the brokenhearted. The greater the desire, the more demandingly it determines, organizes, and judges the means of its own fulfillment.
A well-known caricature of this is Herzog’s Fitzcarraldo. If you’ve never seen it, it’s inspired by the historical exploits of Brian Sweeney Fitzgerald, or “Fitzcarraldo,” an Irishman obsessed by a vision of building a world-class opera house in the deep Amazonian outpost of Iquitos. The title role is perfectly filled by none other than our problematic king, Klaus Kinski. At no point in the film do we doubt the power of Fitzcarraldo’s desire. It ceaselessly conscripts its own causes and has him clanging a church bell and screaming like a toddler: “I want my opera.” His wife Molly is nearly as indomitable. She promises skeptical investors that “Fitzcarraldo will build it, and Caruso will sing at the premier. It’s only the dreamers that move mountains.” She wasn’t bluffing either. It’s this dream that throws him into an ill-fated rubber-trade expedition to fund his opera, his dream that emboldens him to recruit the Amazonian tribes after his crew abandons him, his dream that convinces him to wench a steamship over the massive hill separating the two rivers, and — once his business plan founders in the rapids of the Amazon — it’s his dream that moves him to hire the Manaus opera to play on the steamship on the river along Iquitos, finally realizing his vision in a slightly altered form. At every turn, the end exactingly shapes its means.
It’s not always pretty. You’re given no reason to like Fitzcarraldo. The man was a functional psychotic. However, you can’t help but envy his dedication. And of course, most everything said of Fitzcarraldo can be (and has been) said of Herzog himself, a filmmaker obsessed with obsession as a general motif. When it came to making the film, true to form, Herzog insisted on physically recreating the deeds of Fitzcarraldo, likewise with the help of the local Amazonian tribes (though apparently the real-life Fitzgerald was sensible enough to disassemble the ship before schlepping it over the hill). This is incredible for more than just its masochism. It’s almost as if, not content to remain a legend along the lines of Noah’s ark, here was a desire so potent and so particular, that it somehow forced its way into historical fact twice within the span of a century.
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Once the ontology of mechanism eliminated final causes, if not always in its metaphysics then at least in its accounts, it was forced to reduce our more bodily desires to a combination of material and efficient causes (as a calculus of pleasures and pains) or sublime our more spiritual desires into the demands of transcendentally formal causes (our desire for things like human happiness or political freedom were actually the imperatives of a moral reason or law). This split became a primary quandary of both metaphysics and moral philosophy, and one that successive metaphysics tried to resolve or overcome, particularly among the process-oriented “ontologies of organism” arising in reaction in the 19th century. Against mechanism’s exclusive image of matter and machine, we might think of them as defending “life,” both in the sense of zōē and bios. Their proponents saw no way of comprehending life, in either sense, without introducing some kind of telos or final causes back into their metaphysics — not as a transcendental ideal, but as a causal process embedded in with all other kinds of causal processes, material, formal, and efficient. Their metaphysics not only provided a foothold for desire, it opened the gates for many fancy new models of desire that could explain its emergent interrelation with biology, cognition, and society. This didn’t make things any simpler, but it did make them more specific. Desire was again real, yet no longer the amorphous or all-pervasive force that it was for panpsychism or Dante’s Paradiso. For these ontologies of organism, it was a set of processes belonging to the domain of life. It was a concern of the living.
Even when these models of desire were not in the gushy, visceral terms of biology, they were still very fluid — either hydraulic or energetic in nature — permitting them to later overlap with the “ontologies of computation” of the 20th century. According to them, desire could be understood as a complex of fluids, flows, and forces, one now ever more socially integrated with a system of signals, intensities, networks, and feedback loops. To the degree that I understand them, these process-oriented models of desire are all fascinating, but they don’t get us any closer to understanding desire as a power because power itself cannot be understood as a process. In fact, to understand desire in terms of power, we don’t necessarily need any fancy new models (which is fortunate for me, since I don’t have one). Any old model or desire will do, provided we can subject them to questions about how they relate to other forms, modes, and configurations of power. If a desire isn’t given, where did it come from? If it isn’t inert, what does it produce? If it isn’t necessary or purely contingent, what else might be desired? If it isn’t fixed or merely processual, how do we intervene or create other desires? If it isn’t distinguished from power but power as well, how is it involved in making the world around us, specifically a world that we all might truly want? I think this set of questions and relations is important enough to deserve its own name, so I’m going to call it “voluntude,” if for nothing else than the pure thrill of neologism.
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In opposition to the instrumental diagram, there’s another tradition that sees power as deeply involved with the questions of desire. In the modern day, this is most notably taken up by Hannah Arendt. You might think of Arendt as having inverted Weber. Against his hard-nosed realism, she extolled something closer to a discursive idealism, and against his equation of power with self-interested means, she placed the real seat of power in the collective determination of ends. She disavowed violence as the basis of political life, and cautioned the New Left of her day against naive glamorizations of violent action-for-action’s-sake. “Violence,” she wrote, “can destroy power; it is utterly incapable of creating it.” Violence, for her, was tellingly “distinguished by its instrumental character.” Even when employed for high-minded or idealistic ends, it was no less brutishly instrumental if those ends were not as deeply considered as the means to achieve them. She wrote that “power corresponds to the human ability not just to act but to act in concert. Power is never the property of an individual; it belongs to a group and remains in existence only so long as the group keeps together.” It was a formulation of power that was, she claimed, inherited from the classical world, above all from the Athenian polis, in which fellows on an equal footing (under the conditions of isonomy) came together to speak and imagine, and through speaking and imagining brought forth a shared world which all might wish for and best flourish in. According to Arendt, once violence and coercion were deployed, or even at play at the margins, speech halted, fellows dispersed, and power was thus broken off and no longer in session. When an institution or governing body resorted to violent repression, marching tanks down the boulevard or cutting down dissidents on sight, she claimed that this was a sign of impotence, a loss of world-making power. Power, for Arendt, is constituted by the coordination and concert of wills, through voluntude rather than through force.
This was a refreshing rebuke to Weber, but Arendt overshoots the mark and delivers a conception of power almost incompatible with some of our most urgent uses of the term. While there’s a certain flair in describing something like the Soviet suppression of the Hungarian uprising, the militaristic undergirding of the American empire, or the Nazi genocide of Jews and the Israeli genocide of Gaza, as something other than power, I’m not so sure the victims would find the distinction very persuasive. Arendt’s notion of power requires us to wildly downplay the efficient causality we feel pressing in on us and ruthlessly shaping our world. I suppose we could partly salvage her argument by saying that, in cases like these, the perpetrators were forced to resort to actualized violence because they were losing their grip on other modes of power, such as economic control or ideological hegemony. This could be said of any violence, such as violent crime, which is usually highest in areas systematically denied all other social means to viable life. But even in the case of crime, this doesn’t necessarily signal a loss of power or last resort. A mob or cartel can operate almost strictly through dint of violence and retain unchallenged control over a city, region, or nation. We could instead distinguish violence as one mode of power among others (by its desublimated, destructive, and typically physical character), and further show that it’s power rather merely causation because it can coercively shape its world either through actualized acts or merely potential threats, just as economic modes of power can shape the world either through the forces of actualized production and allocation, or through promised inducements, predicted returns, or threats of poverty and starvation.
Violence and economic power can never be cleansed from the largely discursive power that Arendt imagines taking place in the political sphere. She wasn’t naive. She conceded that the fine speech and deeds taking place within the Athenian polis were predicated upon the conquests of the Athenian empire, the economic labors of subjugated women and slaves, and a number of other factors in that Mediterranean nexus of powers that flowered into the brief exception of ancient Greek democracy. She just thought of them as “preconditions” rather than power, which only leaves me wondering why something that makes power possible would not also be considered power itself. Plus, as exceptional as the Athenian polis was, it makes for an odd choice for a generalized paradigm of power. Realists could probably make a stronger case for the primacy of violence by invoking the Mongol Empire, which lasted roughly the same span of time, but ruled over most of the Eurasian landmass and acquired its rule through slaughtering one tenth of the world’s population. Arendt’s diagram of power and desire is rhetorically sharp, I’ll give her that much, but in the end, it blinkers us to the way power operates as a densely mixed panoply of modes — cultural, political, economic, and militaristic — that can sustain violence and oppression as readily as it can cooperation and debate.
More recently, Byung-Chul Han, in his book What is Power?, has offered up his own diagram of power and desire. He also takes issue with Weber, writing “power is usually defined as a causal relation: the power of the ego is the cause which affects a particular behaviour in an alter against the latter’s will. It enables the ego to impose his or her decisions without having to show any consideration for the alter.” For Han, power is instead, or as much, a “communicative medium” mediating between ego and alter (his placeholder terms for the self and the other). As in Arendt, violence interrupts this communication. It breaks it off, and in its extremes, will even go so far as to annihilate the alter. Han says that, in the power relation, the ego would never wish to destroy the alter, but rather expand into it, to commandeer its will and steer its wishes. Han thus calls power “eloquent,” an eloquence that coaxes the alter into adopting the ego’s desires as its own. Rather than overwhelming the alter’s “no” by force, “the power of the ego reaches its peak in this sort of emphatic ‘yes’ on the part of the alter, a response that does not contain a trace of a ‘yes, alright then.’”
This definition applies to an empire at its zenith whose subjects can no longer think beyond its hegemony, a cult ecstatically obeying the whims of their guru even unto death, or (what I take to be his main target) the channels through which we internalize the imperatives of the systems in which we live, becoming servants to our tools or grindset entrepreneurs of the self. So Han agrees with Arendt that power lies more in a communication between the ego and alter, yet it’s a communication that functions to entrench the domination of the ego over the alter, in the way Weber sees legitimacy securing compliance to the point that force is no longer necessary. This is a neat trick, to combine the insights of Arendt and Weber. I see that. The problem though is that their overlap in his Venn diagram is so narrow that it doesn’t help much beyond special cases.
On the whole, I’m as puzzled by Han’s framing of power in this book as I am his understanding of love in The Agony of Eros. For Han, love and power emerge from a mediation between ego and alter rather than — as seems obvious to me — the ego and the alter emerging from love and power, and then nowhere nearly as sharply-defined as Han likes to paint them. For me, they’re so incredibly and intimately entangled that it takes years of either reflection or therapy to tell where egos stop and alters begin. On top of that, as he describes them, love and power are not so much mediations as they are mutual exclusions. Power, for example, is the ego’s encroachment into the center of the alter. It is, he says, fundamentally “ipse-centric” — all about itself, and its boundaries stay sharp and its wishes its own, even as it expands and annexes the other. It is an unambivalent and unidirectional domination. Love, for Han, is just mutual exclusion in the opposite direction. In love, the self is willingly disempowered and negated by the will of the other. Swallowed up, self-sacrificed, and closer to death than to Dante’s eternal life. In love and power, both the ego and alter remain almost Cartesianly clear and distinct for Han, and their “wills” are not only known and discernible from the outset, they’re mutually exclusive and seemingly zero-sum. Even if you agreed with Han’s formulations, you’d still have to admit it’s a pretty funny framework for a critic of modern hyperindividualism and marketized social relations.
I see things very differently. Rather than defining power as domination, and love as its powerless opposite, I think of love and domination as contrary configurations of power, which even in their contrariness, are rarely clean or distinct, much less respectful of the boundaries between self and others. How often do we fail to recognize domination or appreciate love, not least of all because of how they might at times resemble or feed one another? And isn’t this only made worse by thinking of love and domination as the will of one yielding to the will of the other, rather than as dynamic relations overwhelming them both? Where does the ego’s will to dominate come from if not from others? Would a loving world come about only through a collective disempowerment? How can two people who truly love one another hurt each other so deeply? And if it were just a matter of the ego’s will versus the alter’s, why do we so often seek to be dominated or flee from love?
I think part of the confusion stems from defining domination simply as a power-over. This is an error made even, maybe especially, by theorists who want to study power empirically, and hope that they might be able to measure or at least safely identify domination purely in terms of power-asymmetry. The problem with this is that, though domination usually involves a power-over, so too does love, as we saw with Dante and Beatrice. Even when wholly requited and genuinely enacted, love — and those whom we love — still hold a tremendous power over us. Yet this doesn’t make it domination. The difference is often pretty clear, but when it’s not, it’s not. Whether in toxic personal relationships or political pathologies, sometimes they can’t be meaningfully distinguished by any measure or principle, but only by asking difficult, probing questions about where our desires come from, what they’re connected to, and what they’re actually bringing about. Which is to say, it’s as much a matter of voluntude as it is visible asymmetry. Though steep power asymmetries are the first place to look for domination, it can’t be measured wholly in those terms.
Take the Sun, for instance. Nothing has more power over us than the Sun in the sky, yet as the source of all light, warmth, and life, it provides us with everything that we have and want. We desire the Sun for its immediate pleasures, but also as a prime factor in so many other desires. It grows the meals we enjoy. It’s the main ingredient for a perfect day. It lights up the faces of our loved ones and, when you think about it, is the reason we see anything at all. Though we’re wholly and deeply dependent on it, it makes possible all we hold dear. It has its drawbacks, like giving us skin cancer or killing our pets if we leave them in the car, but on the whole, its powers are welcomed with infinite thanks, wholly distinguishing it from domination. Similarly, a political leader may by all measures hold great power over a citizenry. However, if that leader is dutifully wielding that power to help organize that city according to the wishes and welfare of that citizenry, truly and to the best of their abilities, it is a kind of power-over but I wouldn’t call this domination. When you discover a favorite new song and loop it on repeat until your eardrums bleed, you’re listening in order to be overwhelmed, and to feel your spine seized and your every other cell in its thrall. But because of how deeply its powers enmesh with your feelings, nobody would call this domination.
And when it comes to true love — this may sound trite but I’m going to say it anyway — it may be the only power over which domination can never, as an axiom, truly prevail. Nothing is more unconquerable than the human heart. What I mean is that, no matter how much might or wealth you wield, no matter how vast your kingdom or fearsome your rule, you can never make someone fall in love with you. Against their refusal, all siege or force is futile. The castle walls can only be breached by song. This is true in a deeper sense as well. Even if you could, by slipping them a love potion, control their feelings and make them love you, this still wouldn’t be what your heart was after. Your desire to be truly loved by them is the desire that they, wholly and voluntarily, and out of everybody else in the world, choose to love you and choose you to love. Love resists domination by definition. It is neither otherworldly magic nor inner delirium. It’s a real power in the world that can collapse empires and bring the ruthless to heel.
Recently, I watched Scorsese’s Casino for the first time. Tightly based upon the true story of the downfall of the Las Vegas mob, it’s often described as a panoramic gangster film. To me, though, I see it as more of a classical tragedy centered on its hero “Ace” Rosenstein, a hotshot odds-maker selected by the Chicago mob to run its “Tangiers” casino. Through a combo of mob violence and Ace’s coldly scientific approach to gambling, he quickly becomes a very powerful man on the strip. Unlike the feral Nicky, an associate from Chicago lured to Vegas by its untapped criminal opportunities, Ace is eminently self-controlled and calculating. Inside the casino, with his mastery of contingency, he’s a portrait of power as “the chances within a social relation to impose one’s will also against the resistance of others, independently of what gives rise to these chances.” However, not long after arriving in Vegas, he discovers Ginger, a seductive courtesan who haunts the tables and cons wealthy men out of their money. “She was one of the best-known, best-liked and most respected hustlers in town. Smart hustlers like her could keep a guy awake for two or three days before sending him home broke to the little woman and his bank examiners.”
After seeing her in action, he falls madly in love, but his realism persists. “In Vegas, for a girl like Ginger, love costs money,” and with his position and means, Ace could secure her company, and even her affection. Her love eluded him, however. This belonged to another — to an abusive, irredeemable pimp named Lester, who she’d been with for years. Her love for Lester baffled Ace. It offered her nothing. He, on the other hand, could offer everything he thought she wished for — money, security, pleasure, attention — and before long, he proposes. Ginger is honest with him: she cares for him, but she doesn’t love him. Ace remains undeterred. He’s certain that, with enough time and tenacity, her affection will turn to love, and after he promises to set her up for life, with or without him, she finally accepts his proposal. But this time around, when it comes to the operations of love, Ace has badly miscalculated. From there on out, the story unfolds as disastrously as Euripides’ Medea. Despite his efforts and original passion, Ace never wins her. How could he? He never learned, nor even really asked, what Ginger’s heart truly needed or wanted. He presumed that he could somehow make her love him. For this hubris, his downfall was sealed— as well as the downfall of the entire Vegas mob.
This is the reason this movie got to me, and whenever a movie gets to me, I instantly rush to the reviews and soak up the details of its backstory. I’m one of those people. Scrolling through the Casino lore, I got the impression that the true story had been tamped down in order to make it more believable. There were actually four casinos rather than one, for example. And the real Nicky, Ace, and Ginger, who are forever memorialized in tabloid clips and reels, seemed truer to their characters than Pesci, DeNiro, and Stone could ever portray. Nicky was the perfect wildcard, and Ace, the slick and relentless tycoon. Then finally there was Ginger, known to the press as Geri Rosenthal née McGee. I couldn’t stop sifting through her photos. She was beautiful and tragic, as you might expect, but this wasn’t the only thing that hooked me. It was something about the look in her eyes, her body language, and the defiance in her cheeks. Together they expressed what Ace realized only too late: “In the casino, the cardinal rule is to keep them playing and to keep them coming back. The longer they play, the more they lose, and in the end we get it all. But with Ginger… I should’ve known better.”
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The real Ginger and Ace, Geri and Frank Rosenthal









